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All good things must come to an end.

Threads are going to start being pruned in the coming weeks. Save or bump whatever you want to keep NOW!


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1306b No.584

While the universe may expand forever, pregchan's server's storage space unfortunately does not. We're currently using about 14/20GB, or over 70% of the allotted space, so it's been impossible to make site backups for a while. Sooner or later, I'll have to cap the number of pages, so I thought I'd give everyone ample warning to everyone to save/bump whatever content you want to keep. You can also help the general cleanup effort by reporting low-content threads, off-topic images, and whatever else you think is ripe for deletion.

257e9 No.585

There's a TON of redundant threads and content in /d/ that has since been moved to Furry. Feel free to just crop'em.

08253 No.586

We could problably save a lot of space by getting rid of completed cyoa threads and the older parts of currently running ones.

We could also perodically look through the catalog and remove duplicate images. Also, why not clean up the edit threads and remove images that are older than a couple weeks that never got edits.

77134 No.587

Personally, I'd say keep all of currently running CYOAs.

8ddc9 No.588

>>584

What do you estimate the timeframe to be on this?

7c98d No.589

I can at least say on my end that I have the two completed threads of my quest archived on my end, but not yet put up anywhere for my readers to be able to review. This gives me some incentive to work on that.

There's probably a bunch of pictures I'd be interested in saving, but I'm sure most of them are on all the boorus or pixiv.

08253 No.590

I would suggest getting rid of the "Japan Pregnant" thread on /r/. It consists almost solely of links to sites filled with malware, and I think only one JAV was posted anyways.

1306b No.591

The plan is to first manually delete cruft, then, say each week, pare back the number of pages. For instance:
This week - cleanup
Next week - limit to 30 pages
Next week - limit to 25 pages
Next week - limit to 20 pages

1306b No.592

Also, with a page limit, rules against making low content and request threads will have to be more strictly enforced.

257e9 No.593

It might also serve you well to have an image size limit built into the site, so people can't post images over X-Y pixels in size.

This would cost down on not only the number of files, but the amount of space each file takes up. I know such code exists, because I know there's something similar used in F-list for avatar images (limited to 100X100 pixels.)

c1be6 No.594

>>586

I'm gonna have to disagree with the last point. A few requests in the fourth thread to nearly 2 weeks to a month to get done so that timeframe is a little bit too short.

08253 No.595

>>594
What do you think would be a better cutoff then?

08253 No.596

I know we've had this conversation before, but should we move the cyoa threads to /c/ in order to cut down the number of off topic images?

c1be6 No.597

>>595

There's a bit of a problem there, edits from the second thread have been made in the fourth, so I'm not really sure what would be the best cut off point

08253 No.598

>>597
Maybe those of us with photoshop experience can rate the requests based on how difficult the edit would be? For example, a profile shot of a girl in a bikini would be cleared, but a girl wearing three belts and layong on her stomach would be rejected.

08510 No.599

>>597
Is there even a point in doing an edit which the requester has most likely forgotten? Might as well just reset the thing and see if they come up again.

b7746 No.600

>>597
Might as well make a booru for drawings and edits.

c1be6 No.601

>>598

I actually like this idea, it could work

03759 No.602

If you discourage image spamming you'd save more space. If you're going to post an image set or a manga just post a sample image and a link to the source.

08253 No.603

>>602
What about when someone post a link to a video download and includes a collage of random sample frames?

08253 No.604

Since we're on the topic of potential rule changes, should we continue to allow shortened URLs? I feel like they're mainly used in sketchy posts, and it would make it easier to judge if a link is malicious or not.

9a689 No.605

Hah. The flashing message has the class "attention_idiots" :^)

b8ea7 No.606

Also, what's with the login thing? Will we have to start using a login to better moderate who's posting what?

6643b No.607

I love how people are highlighting irrelevant threads for deletion by bumping without content.

In all serious though, necro-posting does make it more difficult to isolate dead threads. A good example is this thread >>5181

Thread was resurrected 2 years after it died by that obnoxious disney CP guy looking for someone to do his request.

By that logic, we should target more of these artist specific request threads for deletion once we know they aren't coming back. If they do come back, they can start a new thread or just go to the general request thread.

b7746 No.608


d8655 No.609

>>584
I have question.

Is there any way to easily take all the images currently on the chan and dump them, unorganized and wholesale, into a Google drive?

Last I checked, a Google drive is free up to 15gb, so it's really just a question if Couchy could do such a task with ease.

If so, you could prune half the damn site with little consequence.

3c525 No.610

So the site here is still up, it's just that the irrelevant threads from 20 pages ago or so will get pruned up. Am I correct?

e3424 No.611

Is there anyway we could add more storage to the server? I dont know how servers work rn, but would it be possible to hand over a giant HDD to solve this?

08253 No.612

>>610
Yes that is correct.

>>611
The only limit to server data capacity for the site is money, and I doubt Couchy is able to pay several thousand dollars a month to host unlimited shitposts and edit requests.

9a689 No.613

Can we stop the guy whos going around bumping all the threads he deems important?

477b5 No.614

>>613
This, please

03485 No.615

>>613
As long as people think their ineffectual bumps can save threads which are not active, they will try.

d8655 No.616

>>615
if anything it'll make trash threads easy to find

47469 No.618

>>586
Please don't do this. I am constantly rereading the old CYOA threads I have written to keep the story consistent. Furthermore, new readers will not have the luxury of reading old threads and catching up with the story if they're deleted.

>>584
Please, may I ask the Impregnator Kings posts be kept/protected? For the reasons above.

b7746 No.619

>>618
Make a backup yourself.

47469 No.620

>>619
I have done so, of course, but that doesn't solve the problem of future readers having access to the story. Furthermore it's very convenient for me to be able to see the original threads as they are, with the links I have in place. If it's convenient, I can reference the older parts easier, and it's more likely I will continue writing.

b7746 No.621

>>620
Think about others instead.

3cb2d No.622

The obsession with archiving, old dead artists and ancient stories has to be one of the worst things this loose community gets into. Sometimes we need to let shit go and let new stuff happen.

08253 No.623

>>622
No kidding.

The whole point of the cleanup is to get rid of the old shit that isn't active anymore.

If people are so attached to these threads, they would have archived the threads without being told to.

9a689 No.624

I just spent 6 to 7 hours making a "carbon copy" of the website (from the user's end) on my harddrive.
I have checked the CYOA threads and they are safe, in the format the website has currently.
I saved *most* of the original files, though some may not have downloaded fully or at all. (For the most part, it's only tumblr links that seem to be broken per the log. I'll post that if people want it.)

When crunch-time comes, and the thread you wanted to save has been deleted, know that your thread exists with me.

01af2 No.625

>>624
That's a relief. Thanks.

>>623
I only haven't yet because I figured Pregchan had been stable for several years and was a good enough place to let images rest safely instead of trying to hoard them all.

>>620
As for CYOAs, I would appreciate them being left alone but I also think it would be wise to find an alternative to having dead threads clog up pregchans servers forever. We should find some way to reliably save them off site.

08253 No.626

>>624
Should we do an "in memorial" event for the threads that don't survive the purge. Something like this should work.

>Press F to Pay Respects

629d8 No.627

>>625
Have you tried https://web.archive.org ?

Tried it out and deleted an old irrelevant thread of mine. Seems to be able to preserve everything in the same format.

01af2 No.628

>>627
I'll keep that link in mind. Thanks. Maybe having an 'Old CYOAs' thread in Chat with links to old archived threads would be good.

822b4 No.629

I agree with several others here. If at all possible, can we preserve the quest/CYOA threads? Even the ones at bump limit? It's a lot easier to get into a quest that's in progress if you can go back and read what's gone before.

241a6 No.630

>>629
Here here

9a689 No.631

Everything in /b/, /c/, /o/, and /q/ are all relatively small. I don't think it'd be any worth to remove anything in /c/, /o/, and /q/, but /b/ can just be purged.
/r/ and /f/ both take up 3gbs, so I guess some minor pruning?

The main perpetrator in taking up space seems to be /d/ with the CYOA threads (Aristrocat's mainly I'm afraid), the edit threads (Sorry about that…), and the drawn thread.
Also a lot of caching, but that can't really be avoided.
I can't get an exact estimate on size because that would take forever to find every image used in the code, find it in the folder, and calculate the collective size.
(and honestly it'd be unreliable because I only have a "carbon copy" and not a "real copy")

Honestly, the biggest issues of space come from the edit threads, drawthreads, SFM thread, and the GIF thread. Also any that people upload WEBM to.
Maybe it might be worth our time wiping those threads and starting fresh.

To avoid this in the future, maybe only allow images of a certain size, or perhaps auto-scale images on upload?
I dunno, I'm just trying to be helpful here. I'm not trying to piss anyone off.

d8655 No.635

>>627
>>628
>>629
If we can compile all the images from a backup, archive.com would be an option to store them as well. Meaning you could wipe half the chan with little consequences.

also, feel free to go into all the old draw/edit threads and kill the "request" pictures. The pre-edit pictures are superfluous. Especially the ones that never got edited.

d8655 No.636

>>631
why the heck do we even support gifs and webms with such an extreme space restriction anyway? I feel like in this sites situation, just make it a rule that you can only post a picture of the gif, and a link to the source.

47469 No.637

>>631
I think you are overestimating the space CYOA threads take up. They are mainly comprised of text, which does not use much space. If you took out the images, Impregnator Kings would probably be between 10-20mb of data. (That's the entire thing, not just one thread.)

Even with the images, I'd estimate Impregnator Kings only uses .11-.13gb at the most. That's about 0.65% of the site's capacity. (Again, the entire thing since Dec. 2015, not just one thread.)

Here's how I arrived at that number, and hopefully my math is correct.

It'd be too much to look up every single image size. However, when it comes to Impregnator Kings, they vary from as low as 10kb to as high as 1.5mb. Though images as big as 1.5mb are very rare, and the real high limit is more about 700-800kb.

For the purposes of making this estimate, I chose an average of 300kb per image used.

Thread one uses 95 images. About 28500kb.

Thread two uses 41 images. About 12300kb.

Thread three uses 50 images. About 15000kb.

(Thread four was hosted on bbw-chan during the brief period pregchan was gone.)

Thread five uses 108 images. About 32400kb.

Thread six uses 32 images. About 9600kb.

Thread seven has used one image I don't need to estimate: 19 kb.

All together, this is: 97819kb of images. That translates to 97.8mb. Or .098gb.

This doesn't include the text itself. That probably comes out to about 10mb. So .11gb. If the thumbnails are counted (which I don't have to estimate because I have them saved), that's an extra 19mb. So .13gb.

Maybe 300kb is too conservative. If you increase the estimate to 500kb per image, it rises to about .19gb (including the text and thumbnails). Still less than 1%. In other words, even with a high estimate, it would take 50 threads like Impregnator Kings to get to even half the site's total capacity.

Of course, asking for basically unlimited amounts of data (assuming I kept writing forever) may perhaps be too much, and if they absolutely must be deleted to make room on the server, then that is too bad… but if the only consideration is 'if the thread is old,' then I must please ask for consideration to leave these threads up. They are still being built on.

>>627
This is viable, and indeed, the bbw-chan chapter of the story is only still available because of web-archive. I've confirmed the first five threads are all saved here. However, web archive doesn't save the images, so the visuals are lost, but that is not too bad. If the old threads are deleted, there is at least this.

I have a proposal though which I think might save on space. What if the request threads were split into two? One thread, people could post a non-pregnancy picture asking for the edit, and in the other thread, people actually editing it could post the result. Then it would be much easier to delete the 'request' thread of all the non-pregnancy related images when it is full, and leave the thread that has the edited results. Well, it is only an idea.

08253 No.638

I'm going to guess that the real issue here is that the site doesn't have upload restrictions on videos or a maximum image resolution limit.

I think we should ban images from the CYOA threads, since they contain mostly off topic images, and a good author shouldn't need them.

I should also mention that there are more requests than completed edits. Like I mentioned earlier, we need some kind of vetting process or time limit on requests to keep down bloat. We should try to ensure that the ratio of completed edits to requests is as close to 1:1 as possible.

To those who run a CYOA thread, may I suggest you compile all of your story posts into a single text document that can be linked at the top of the current thread and updated once a new continuation thread is started?

d8655 No.641

>>637
squark isn't estimating when he says a set of threads is taking up a certain amount of space. He has a copy of the site, he just can just check the file sizes.

that idea for the edit/request threads strikes me as a bit too complicated for a task that only needs to be done once every 2-3 years and only adds an extra 5 hours of work to the process. It's a good train of thought though. the edit/draw threads are absolutely the main culprit of wasting space.

9a689 No.642

>>638
I think it's fine for the CYOA threads to use images, but not WEBMs or gifs. That is just my opinion.

If worst comes to worst (because even though I said the CYOA threads in /d/ are big, they're only the largest if you take the draw threads and edit threads out of the equation) I don't mind hosting a small backup for CYOAs and the edit/draw threads if it saves space and if Couchy permits it.

b7746 No.643

>>641
The draw threads are barren of artists, getting rid of them would be good.

08253 No.645

>>642
I guess if we get the edit and draw threads under control and ban video files, then I'd be fine if we allow the CYOA threads to have images.

I still think we should prune the old parts and have the writers archive their story posts on pastebin or something.

d8655 No.648

>>645

They probably aren't a big issue now, but after the second or third cycle of "cleanup time" comes around, there will come a time they will definitely be a target. They can only grow.

@aristocrat and all RPers who are looking to keep archived stuff available forever

I suggest that you find a permanent, publicly available solution for archive storage, at some point before the next wipe. Even if you just take screen caps and throw them up on a Google drive. It's better not to risk waiting a couple years, then getting caught with a dozen archived threads you need to preserve all at once because they are too big to ignore. Even if gifs, webms and the edit/draw thread spam are currently couchy's easiest targets, eventually our friendly neighborhood RPers' older threads will be numerous enough not to clean

c1be6 No.650

>>638

You actually made me curious about how many of the requests in the recent thread haven't been fulfilled with your comment on the edit threads. Your ideal ratio is 1:1 while the fourth thread has around a 5:1 ratio. If I counted right, thats 96 requests, with 19 of those being fulfilled.

Personally, I think we should remove the first two edit threads, as those are pretty much dead at this point, and Sqwark has most of the files saved so there's not a loss. The third one I'm not sure about.

3cb2d No.651

>>631
>>637

I wouldn't think it was about the size of the threads but that fact that if you save all of them and cut down the amount of threads you now have the limit of 20 threads being made up of almost half these threads. Let it go.

3cb2d No.652

>>651
Sorry I have the numbers wrong, but my point still stands. It's not that they take up space on file they take up space other threads could be in. Especially on the art board.

You can wipe the whole site for all I care I'm just tired of the drawn board being filled with these things.

9a689 No.653

I don't want to start a war on what should or should not be deleted.
There is a bad ratio of edits requested to edits done, and I think the main reason behind that are images that are incredibly difficult or flat out impossible.
There's no real way to solve this either without enforcing a cooldown period or creating an incredibly complicated script.

I want to clarify: The /d/ CYOA threads ARE NOT THE LARGEST. In terms of text, they have the largest basic file size but the main space is taken up by other threads. If you take the edit threads, draw threads, and the SFM thread away THEN they become the largest.
It IS possible to keep the CYOA threads if you were to delete the old, filled up draw threads and edit threads, and purge the WEBM threads (just ask WEBMs to be uploaded elsewhere and hotlinked) Yeah you lose some "history", but what about the original 4chan thread that got Katawa Shoujo up and running? Or "The Fappening" threads on 4chan and 8chan? They're deleted now, archived somewhere on the internet.
We're a chan at heart. Clinging onto history isn't something we should be doing, honestly. I get why we do, don't get me wrong, but sometimes it's okay to let go - especially if Couchy can make a proper site backup, and any dick and sally can make a "carbon copy" of a website for free, like I did.

Also, another clarification: WEBMs and Gifs don't take up the most space, the PNGs do. But the WEBMs aren't doing us any favours.

1306b No.654

While I guess it's good to know which threads are taking the most space, we have to be thinking in terms of consistent rules that apply equally to all threads and require little or no manual intervention. Although I do like the idea of having requests and request fulfillments in separate threads.

b7746 No.655

>>654
That sounds like excessive busywork, especially for the drawthreads where artists have pretty much vanished. Just do what the 4chan drawthreads do and have an anchor.

95ed7 No.656

>>654
if you do go with that separation, there's a way to make this cleanup really easy.

Just tell a couple of us, right now, to go save all the final products in all the edit/draw threads. wipe all of them, then we'll re-post them in the newly formatted "edited" thread to start it off. easy.

3cb2d No.662

>>656
Why do you need to repost them? They've been seen. If people wanted them they should be saved. I don't think people should be using someone's small server space like this just as a storage.

Encourage new content. Link to new stuff.

b3b4f No.663

Dont delete the game thread pls

95ed7 No.664

>>662
because finished edits/draws are the only images of real worth on this site. The editors are from this community and take it upon themselves to filter through our more impolite members/requests. Plus, nearly all other images on the chan could be deleted and found somewhere else on the internet, but not the edits.

f455e No.665

Does anyone have the capability to back up a copy of the full Original Content threads? That's probably the most irreplaceable thing on the site.

9a689 No.666

>>665
I can confirm:
I have a fully functioning copy of the Content Threads, Edit Threads, and Draw threads.
The images are all safe.

For ANYONE looking to create a "copy" of the website for themselves, refer to the program 'HTTrack Website Copier'. It's free and mostly simple to use.
(It caps downloads at 25000B/s so whap that up to 999999 in the Limit option if your internet can handle it)
…As long as Couchy is okay with letting us download a copy of the website, of course. I don't want to step on toes here

95ed7 No.667

>>666
spooky number. Sqwark IS a demon

1306b No.668

>>666
I would use that sparingly - our bandwidth is supposedly unlimited, but I don't want to draw any unwelcome attention from our host, especially right after that copyright incident.

08253 No.669

>>668
Hopefully whoever is on that bumping spree isn't paranoid enough to want to make weekly copies of the site.

d9071 No.670

>>668
…ah
My bad.

d8655 No.671

http://www.pregchan.com/d/res/260.html#35543

of all the superfluous bumps I've seen, this one seems to be the most deleteable

d8655 No.674

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http://pregchan.com/d/res/5349.html#28619

Couchy, delete this one. I found an external link for everything posted on this thread thus far, sans the most recent image and the pixel art gifs (which average like 50kb anyway, I downloaded those)

make a new thread and I'll post the links/pixel art.

9a689 No.675

>>674
Going off of this, I can re-up all the old Edit/Draw/Content thread images in separate compressed folders onto somewhere like dropbox or googledrive, offering both an intact page and an image download, meaning you can delete those old threads.



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