>>4532 this is what happen when you practice to the point of insanity. many artist go their lengths to practice their craft and lose their sanity along the way.

I know exactly what you're talking about. But this brings up one of the truest pieces of advice I've ever heard: You want something done right, do it yourself.

>>4535 I can vouch for this as a fan of a certain mobile game series

>>4535 See that's the funny thing: I'm somewhat decent at art but there's two big problems: a). I'm shit at drawing pregnant women/bellies. b). The times I have tried I get really uncomfortable and in general I don't want my art to be fetish material.

I know the feeling. xxxx52's old pregnancy art was (and remains) fantastic. The trouble is that he rarely ever draws it nowadays and most of his stuff has the most degenerate shit known to man.

>>4562 Same prtoblem with Madam Squiggles/Mawspaws...or whatever new name they go by nowadays when they actually draw regular preg stuff it's great but everything else is a mess

>>4578 I mean she's a mentally unstable tranny that needs to change her username as much as her medication. What were you Expecting?

>>4579 chud pregchan users continuously being transphobic even when the thread has literally zero to do with trans people challenge: Impossible

>>4580 I mean aint they trans? Kinda relevant since they were brought up

>>4581 Not even in the slightest. it would be like me randomly bringing up some artist on here and randomly blathering about how they're gay or some shit like its a negative thing. Its not at all relevant.

It's annoying that we cannot escape the gender religion, with so many artists pushing it. Dwps is an example of a skilled artist who is completely captured by that ideology. It would be nice to not deal with culture war nonsense as we admire pregnant women. Besides that, there are those artists feel the need to include ugly bastards and violent abortions (e.g. Tenseiani, Phonon).

>>4580 Madamsquiggles has changed usernames making it a metric bitch to follow her work all because she can't stand the fact she was born without a penis. It's completely warranted to being it up when it actively harms the output of art.

>>4585 Not all trans people are interested in changing their genitals or feel dysphoric about it. Some just prefer to present more masculinely or femininely and identify as such.Maybe Flittermilk wishes he had a penis, Idk I havent heard him mention anything regarding that. someone changing their name affects the output of their art? How does that logic follow?

>>4578 This. And also Worm to a certain degree. Love the pregnancy, not into the stuffing, vore, etc.

>>4586 NTA but they've unironically changed their name like 6 times and as they pointed out it makes finding a cohesive collection of their art a pain in the ass, also i could give a fuck less about their perceived gender or whatever, Narodii...or whatever they go by now is FtM and their art is nowhere near as unhinged

>>4588 Thats fair, I'm just sick and tired of people negatively shitting on trans folks constantly in here. A lot of chuds in the pregnancy kink community have this weird insane demented obsession with trans people.

Alternatively this could also be when you see a hentai with a pregnant tag on it and then very often one of these happens: >literally just one page of pregnant belly and yet it's one of the best looking ones you've seen how can they do this >it's decent but it's all slathered in cuck shit and boring ugly bastards Can't tell you how much I have to dig and dig through E-H just to find some actual decent preg-focused doujins like GOD

>>4589 Choke on a “girl” dick you fucking retard Allah willing you freaks will never be accepted by wider society

>>4593 Days Since Last Transphobe Raid: 0

I find it ironic how many pregnancy fetish artists are either childfree, absolutely disgusted by children and anything to do with them and/or they're rabid leftists who think any and all contact between men and women is rape and patriarchy and all sex is misogynistic. Seems like they'd be much more comfortable being fat/inflation/vore fetish artists. >>4586 >Not all trans people are interested in changing their genitals or feel dysphoric about it. Some just prefer to present more masculinely or femininely and identify as such. Lol the girldick is real and you will choke on it.

>>4595 At least you called it a girl dick. Your lame attempt at insulting me was affirming of trans womens identity so I guess thats something

>>4595 And the one right wing child having pregnancy artist got driven off

You know the fetish artists that are the worst for political posting with their fetish art? Americans. Literally no other country I know inserts politics into porn. American artists do because they're all brainlet chuds that want to prove a point to their coomer audience and change their opinion on politics that probably doesn't even apply to them.

>>4595 yeah because even though they are childless, they are also spineless and cater to things they hate for a dollar/shekel . Luckily, they also have an army of leftist coomers to prop up whatever shitty opinions they have and blast their parents money on commissions. >>4598 Mostly Americans but also Euro artists trying to suck up to American leftists. The only exception is Brazilians shitposting about their politicians.

>>4598 I'll take artists that wear their political viewpoints on their sleeves over the passive aggressive shits that block and shadow ban people who don't abide by their viewpoints. Easiest tell are the ones that always post about registering to vote while pretending to be "unbiased" with such a demand.

>>4584 >Remembers when Crossdressing or at least not explicitly making it clear you're crossdressing would get you ran out the Community but now you're fucked up and a bigot if you call people out on that type of thing Estrogen and Hormone blockers did to the Internet what Crack did to the Black Community

>>4597 Are you talking about the one schizo who just began turning everything into unfunny boomer political cartoons that happened to also be fetish art

We lost another one boys

>>4595 Rightoids trying to get attention:

How the fuck did my thread turn into a transphobic echo chamber? What fucking space dust are you people huffing?

love how the only reason random is active is cause of a shitshorm of arguing lol, go whack it and get on with your day my friends

>>4596 >>4598 >>4603 >>4608 >>4610 >>4613 >

Just another day on pregchan it seems.

>>4614 You can't think for yourself if you tried.

>>4598 What aren't Americans worst at?

>has no arguments left >posts wojak Damn. Who would've thought?

>>4614 I really don't care whats happening here, but please keep your biggotry to 1 image per post. You're clogging up the main page with autism.

>>4614 Hope the ban was worth it.

Is it over?

>>4616 >>4618 >>4619 >>4620 >>4622 Go back to whatever commiepedotroon shithole you crawled from and goon to girly dicks there. None of you will ever be real men or women, by the way.

>>4688 You're not a real man posting these meme, youre nothing more than a lowly worm

Indeed, posting hateful stuf on a porn website. Simply shows that this person has nothing batter to do than spread hatred and try to make people angry.

>>4688 Try to improve yourself moron.

>>4688 Aww, what's wrong, did you lose your tweezers for stroking your micropenis and decide that the next best thing was posting shitty wojaks? You're not getting shat on because everyone here is secretly a tranny, but because you're an unfunny retard spamming a fucking porn board with this shit. It's fucking pathetic. Get a fucking hobby or something, for fuck's sake.

>>4618 To be fair what the fuck are you supposed to do when statments as basic as "Men can't be Women" and "Women can't be Men" are being argued against? The existence of Sex Chromosomes are handwaved for fuck sake.

True though. You are born a boy or a girl and nothing can change that. Everything else is a mental disorder.

>>4702 >>4702

>>4701 Not spam a fucking porn board with it, that's what. Like it or not, these people exist, and it's fucking annoying as hell when an entire thread is completely derailed because retards can't get over that fact. They're just here to get off to preg like the rest of us, it's not that hard to understand.

>>4703 Shut up Adachi

>>4704 >Like it or not, these people exist And like it or not these people are fundamentally wrong and insert this aspect of their lives in everything including this fetish board. Hell the only reason it's currently being discussed is because a pregnancy artist specifically made it a huge deal to discuss their mental illness and then use it as an excuse to constantly change accounts making hard to view and collect their works. It's a bit ironic that you suggest we just blatantly accept that these people exist while not expecting those same people to accept reality. Like sure get off to the thing that contradicts your entire lifestyle but stop shoving your gender nonsense into it.

>>4708 Your gripes with a single artist on the internet aren't sufficient reason to annoy the rest of us by spamming the site with wojaks. The trans people aren't nearly as annoying as you dipshits throwing a fit constantly.

>>4712 >Single Artist >MaddamSquiggles >Dwps >RiddleAugust >etc.

>>4713 >>Hell the only reason it's currently being discussed is because a pregnancy artist specifically made it a huge deal to discuss their mental illness and then use it as an excuse to constantly change accounts making hard to view and collect their works. You've been referring to MadamSquiggles specifically throughout the thread, so I think the assumption that your gripe was with them in particular was a fair one. While I don't particularly agree with your opinions, you're also not the one spamming the fucking wojaks. It's the fucking edgy hateposting that's getting ridiculous these days, and it reliably derails threads whenever it happens.

>>4714 You are making it worse by crying about folks being mean, with your projection and lack of self-awareness not helping.

>>4715 Motherfucker, I'm just sick of literally any mention of trans people being met with retards spewing verbal diarrhea. Am I feeding the trolls? Yeah, probably, but unlike those braindead shits, the trans people that occasionally stop by are usually here for smut or civil discussion. They bring something of value, while retards spamming wojaks bring absolutely nothing to the table. And how the fuck am I projecting, exactly?

>>4717 You are far worse with your crybully whinging about how anyone who refuses to accept your ideology is a hateful troll or istophobe. Your self-righteous screeching in response to basic dissent attracts the trolls looking for a mark to trigger, and you take the bait by acting like a child.

>>4717 If the trans people were here just for the smut then they wouldn't be making threads with transgenderism as the topic.

>>4718 What, pray tell, do you call >>4614 >>4688 this retardation, then? Because I'm fairly certain that it qualifies as "hateful trolling". >>4719 Smut and civil discussion. The one thread in recent memory where it was the primary topic was literally just a person asking if there were any other trans people who were into preg stuff. And it was perfectly fine and harmless until some retard came into the thread trying to start shit. If they were making a nuisance of themselves I'd just as readily tell them to fuck off too, but they're not. Like, it's as simple as not literally throwing a fit at every single mention of trans people.

While that "trans ally" malds over the one wojak poster, I figure that we should move on from the mentally ill and get back on topic. One artist who frustrates me is ShindoL. He draws pregnant women really well (to the point where he might have a thing for them), but his work is often tough to read through. I wish he would make a wholesome vanilla doujin for once (unless he already did, in which case, I would like to know the title). As for other artists, Olympic-Dames is actually quite prickly in casual conversation. I could go on about a few others, but that would derail things again.

>>4740 I'm allowed to be annoyed by retards like that, and I was hardly the only one to complain about it, but go off. That said, yes, let's please move the fuck on.

>>4718 >>4719 You guys are just looking for an excuse to get mad about other people. The freshest meat right now is transgenders, that's the long and short of it. A few years from now, it'll be Muslims again. Then, women. Then, back to transgenders probably.

>>4708 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NNnIGh9g6fA Here's a 12 year old lecture by a neuro scientist about why you are full of shit.

Can't we all just agree troons are worthless and we'd be better off if we just wiped them out?

good fucking lord y'all see the word trans once and start flipping your fucking lids. maybe you should learn to socially interact outside of porn sites, ya fuckin losers.

>>4744 So where in this hour long lecture does the professor say that men can be women and women can be men? Because just citing a lecture on biological neurology isn't winning an arguement. Hell he may actually be proving that transgender people are completely wrong with that lecture.

Alright, this "argument" of yours is starting to genuinely piss me off now. I don't think I've ever, *EVER* seen someome legitimately try to argue that someone can entirely transform their biological sex with current medical technology, because it's obviously not there yet. But you know as well as I do that the *actual* goal of transitioning is to help trans people feel more comfortable with the body they're stuck in. The largest portion of a typical transition is the social aspect. It's one thing to make a mistake regarding someone's gender; that's generally expected and understood as being a simple error. But if you know for a fact that someone is trans, and you *deliberately* go against their request and misgender them, then that's just straight-up a dick move. It's just a matter of being polite like you would in literally any other social interaction. If you want to be taken seriously regarding this shit, argue your points in good faith instead of pulling strawmen out of your ass.

>>4768 If I self identify as Napoleon then you have to call me emperor of France or it’s a ‘dick move’.

>>4768 So the basic concept of Trans ideology is that Gender represents how you identify in terms of roles provided to the sexual binary. You essentially argue that your sexual indentity is based on perceptions of what qualifies as masculine and feminine and want to act on the qualities that make you most comfortable. This is in contrast to your biological sex which is determined by your sex chromosomes, produced gametes, and genitalia. Essentially whether your are male or female as these are biological labels based on observable data. So if that is the case why exactly do Trans individuals demand that they be referred to by biological identifiers? Why aren't trans individuals simply referred to as Masculine Females and Feminine Males? By arguing that someone should refer to you by a biological identifyer it is essentially arguing that gender and biological sex are one and the same or at the very least connected. If this is the case how can trans individuals argue in honesty that gender identity and sex are seperate concepts?

>>4771 Because in the strictest sense, "man" and "woman" are not biological identifiers in the first place. "Male" and "female" arguably are, hence the existence of the terms "assigned male at birth" and "assigned female at birth". Generally speaking, most trans people are fine with just the societal/cultural terms being used; of the subset that additionally wishes to use the biological terminology, nearly all do still clarify the difference, hence the existence of cis/trans as descriptors. As for your "masculine females" and "feminine males" point...if you strip away the biological identifiers from those, you get close to something that a decent number of trans people actually use; "transmasc" or "transfem". Truthfully, it's not ideal to stick tightly to an either/or view for that in the first place, because a huge number of people under the trans umbrella don't actually lean all the way to one side or the other; there's a large overlap with genderfluid and otherwise non-binary identifications. Like, full honesty, I am hardly what most people would consider trans by most metrics. I'm fairly comfortable in my body in most regards. However, I have pretty significant dysphoria when it comes to my facial hair in particular. It's just something I wish I did not have whatsoever, and if I had more disposable income, I would likely look into more permanent removal options. Overall, the topic is hugely complex, and it varies heavily depending on the individual. Aside from dipshit politicians twisting it to their own ends in their scramble for power, there isn't any sort of agenda behind it; it's genuinely just a matter of people wanting to be able to live their lives without undue suffering. >>4770 Congratulations, you've just made perhaps one of the most ridiculous strawman arguments I've ever heard. At least the other guy is attempting to have some sort of discussion.

>>4772 >Because in the strictest sense, "man" and "woman" are not biological identifiers The very first sentence and you immediately veer into retardation of the highest degree.

Me laugh whenever I see TroonsGender™ clashing, debating and Babbling about their validity about dysphoria and technological advancement. Just accept the fact. You CANNOT get pregnant. Period. All you can do is just pretending to be pregnant either by bloating or using silicone fake belly. Enjoy your temporary fetish roleplay fantasy.

>>4778 >obnoxious gif response >trying to bait >using tripcode kek?

>>4776 Hate to break it to you, but no, "man" and "woman" are not technical terms in the same way "male" and "female" are. Obviously they have the association, but it's not a hard scientific distinction. Filling the role of a man in society is not inherently the same thing as being biologically male. The former is a general set of expectations for an individual within society, the latter is the actual scientific distinction. That's not retardation, that's just the truth. This is literally an argument of semantics. >>4780 Yep, same dipshit was one of the retards who ruined the calm discussion in that one trans-focused thread in /c/. Obvious troll, who is also brain-dead enough to use a tripcode while trolling.

>>4784 The definition of man is a human male The definition of woman is a human female Those terms are inherently biological in nature. No they are not social constructs as their definitions have always been in relation to the biological sexes. I will repeat again you are immediately veering into legitimate retardation by arguing the opposite of basic reality.

>>4785 "The Germanic word developed into Old English mann. In Old English, the word still primarily meant "person" or "human," and was used for men, women, and children alike. The sense "adult male" was very rare, at least in the written language. That meaning is not recorded at all until about the year 1000, over a hundred years after the writings of Alfred the Great and perhaps nearly three centuries after Beowulf. Male and female gender qualifiers were used with mann in compound words." They have, in fact, NOT always been in association with them, bucko.

>>4786 >Only argument is word origins Really? Can't even argue the fact man and woman are still defined by biology? Instead you have to use a roundabout argument regarding language that could easily be used against your viewpoint.

>>4787 The whole argument has been semantics from the get-go, you're the one who's not seeing it. All trans people are asking for is to be treated according to the societal role they wish to fill. Of course gender roles and biological sex are *related*, because the majority of people follow those roles as you'd expect. But that relationship is not some fucking universal constant either. The meanings of words are entirely capable of change, and in no way does that somehow deny reality. There is no rule saying "man" and "woman" HAVE to be biological terms. You'd have better results using "male" and "female", because those ARE accepted technical terms for biological sex. Again, this argument is entirely coming down to semantics. It's not that difficult a concept; you can have one set of words solely be the technical definition for biological sex, and the other can represent the societal interpretation of gender.

Anybody who openly wishes harm on transgenders is a fucking lowlife. I bet you're glad fascist parties are regaining legitimacy in many liberal democracies around the world, Germany, Israel, France, US. You know the eugenicists also believed lobotomies and sterilization were better for preserving the 'good' races and 'good' people.

man i love pregnancy porn

>>4789 >You know the eugenicists also believed lobotomies and sterilization were better for preserving the 'good' races and 'good' people. How ironic when it’s you troon freaks that promote mutilating and sterilising healthy bodies to fulfil some delusional fantasy. >I bet you're glad fascist parties are regaining legitimacy in many liberal democracies around the world, Germany, Israel, France, US. You forgot Ukraine

>>4772 A man who insists he’s a woman against all reality is like someone calling themselves Napoleon but instead of having these loony troons locked up in the funny farms where they belong we bow to their insanity. >>4788 The meanings of words can change so we can say that 2+2 = 5 and if you say differently you’re a bigot

>>4789 I wish we lived in the fantasy land liberals think we live in.

>>4788 >All trans people are asking for is to be treated according to the societal role they wish to fill. We have words for that, masculine and feminine! You can't just pretend biological terms aren't biological in nature just so people can take on particular gender roles. Hell taking on thise roles do not change your gender anyways. I'm a fucking stay at home dad, that doesn't make me a woman and never will regardless of how much that role is traditionally for women. This isn't an argument if semantics. I cannot bear children, I will never be a woman, even if I do most of the child rearing.

Ahh I like the chaos happening in here

>>4795 Yeah, discussing matters like this in a fetish forum is like drinking. When we’re sane, we talk about fetishes, hobbies, etc. And suddenly when we’re drunk, we start discussing philosophies and shit.

>>4796 >> When we’re sane ...when did that happen?

>>4793 I don't, a land run by mentally deranged troons, pedos, and jews. Fuck that.

>>4795 Did somebody say CHAOS?!

Kill yourselves All of you Every single one of you

>>4793 You wish you lived in fascism? I'm appalled but not shocked

>>4800 damn nigga calm down, lmao

>>4802 kys

>>4794 Semantics is literally about the meaning assigned to words and terms. You are arguing that the words "man" and "woman" are inherently biological in their meaning, I am arguing that they are just fucking words, and are not somehow REQUIRED to have that biological meaning. It is LITERALLY semantics. You want to go by masculine and feminine, sure; the problem lies in the fact that you're also attaching their biological sex to it unnecessarily when you specifically say "feminine male" or the like. Why do you feel the need to highlight that? >>4791 Fuck off, Maofag.

>>4804 Kys

>>4805 Definitions are by there nature defined as in finite as in they have specific meaning. I hate these retarded arguments that words lose meaning just because language "evolves" it's an excuse to tear down any sort of meaning because the concept of finite absolutes completely destroys the transgender argument. >Why do you feel the need to highlight that? Because as stated before being masculine doesn't make you a man and vice versa. Your biological sex is not malleable it is an absolute. Stop pushing this retardation that your lifestyle choices somehow changes your biology. It would be like saying people that like rap music are black because being black is arguably not a biological identifier.

>>4807 One, the concept of finite absolutes in general does not destroy "the transgender argument", because nobody is seriously trying to fucking claim that someone who is born biologically male can get pregnant, because obviously that is not currently fucking possible. Again, the concept is simple: we can use "male" and "female" as the strict, technical terms for biological sex, while "man" and "woman" are allowed to have a looser meaning. It's REALLY not that hard. You wouldn't use "cock" in a fucking academic description of the penis, would you? There's a difference between technical terms and more casual speech, that's not a new concept. And the problem with highlighting it like that is that you wouldn't fucking do it for anyone else; you're inherently singling out trans people for some arbitrary reason. Do you go around referring to yourself as a "masculine male" in ordinary conversation? I want to clarify a final time. *It is not about denying biology.*

>>4809 Or, we could accept that identifying as trans is a degenerate mental illness and remove those people from society, just as we should have done with the faggots. And the blacks. And the Jews. But no, we decided that they were real people too. Now look at us. It's a slippery slope that keeps getting worse. But it's not too late to change course.

>>4809 >because nobody is seriously trying to fucking claim that someone who is born biologically male can get pregnant, because obviously that is not currently fucking possible. https://www.youtube.com/live/r_uE4q4f-VI?si=ETH58yDN8Ahr9gEm&t=3327 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2HwL3Cohzg

All this shithole site is good for anymore is killing boners, jesus fuck. Just jack off and move on

>>4791 Nice facebook meme grandpa.

complaining about societal degeneracy on a porn site is like pitching a fit about how terrible the food you ordered from a restaurant is, knowing damn well it was gonna be shite. I can’t jack off because these “degenerates” are ruining my own degenerate fantasies! Fucking lol

Can't we just be happy that a majority of Trans can't procreate? Let them live their fallacy. Kay? Who cares if the mechanic missed a few parts? It's not your car, or your mechanic so fuck off.

>>4811 Yeah, people like that exist. They're hardly the fucking majority. Every single trans person I've met who at some level has wished they could get pregnant hasn't gone anywhere near that point, because, unlike what you seem to believe about every trans person on earth, they do still confront reality. They know full well that biologically they're still the sex they were born as, transitioning simply helps them ease the disconnect between their mind and body. There are a few legitimate crazies out there; that's true of every group. That does not in any way mean they're all like that. >>4810 Low-effort bait, try harder. >>4814 Exactly, it's the stupidest fucking shit. Like, I know I'm perpetuating it by even bothering to respond to them, but they're seemingly hell-bent on turning anything even remotely tangential to trans people into a shitshow. Mention an artist that's trans, it's a clusterfuck; post mpreg or futa art (both longstanding fetishes in their own right), they throw a fit. And then you've got Maofag, who adds another layer of insanity on top of it all with his tankie retardation. Honestly think that fucker is prime ban material; he doesn't contribute anything and just stirs up shit. Even I've at least shared content on the rare occasion I have something relevant to contribute on hand.

>>4809 >nobody is seriously trying to fucking claim that someone who is born biologically male can get pregnant We live in a world where the term "birthing person" exists so as not to offend trans people with the word pregnant woman https://nichq.org/insight/exploring-nonbinary-approach-health

Ey remember u can hide threads Peace out

>I don't think I've ever, *EVER* seen someome legitimately try to argue that someone can entirely transform their biological sex with current medical technology, because it's obviously not there yet. >Yeah, people like that exist. They're hardly the fucking majority. Every single trans person I've met who at some level has wished they could get pregnant hasn't gone anywhere near that point, because, unlike what you seem to believe about every trans person on earth, they do still confront reality. They know full well that biologically they're still the sex they were born as, transitioning simply helps them ease the disconnect between their mind and body. Literally every trans person, trans rights advocate and progressive insists on that. "Sex/gender reassignment surgery works 100%, men can get pregnant now, stop being a reactionary, sweaty. If it doesn't work, it's the fault of literally everyone around me." >There are a few legitimate crazies out there; that's true of every group. That does not in any way mean they're all like that. There it is, No True Scotsman Eats Sugar. I bet if I asked you "Is everybody who isn't chanting "Trans Right are Human Rights, Fuck The Cistem, Down With Patriarchy, Punch TERFs, Die Cis Scum" a transphobic bigot?" you'd respond with "Yes, they are, and they deserve to die". >post mpreg or futa art (both longstanding fetishes in their own right), they throw a fit. Why would you post futa and mpreg outside their respective threads? >There is no rule saying "man" and "woman" HAVE to be biological terms. You'd have better results using "male" and "female", because those ARE accepted technical terms for biological sex. Again, this argument is entirely coming down to semantics. Then get ready to fine/sanction/arrest 90%+ of the world's population for being transphobic and using outdated and inaccurate words.

Dunno if it counts since it's not art but "Rando writes a preg story and it goes unfinished/the Writer disappears right when things start to get interesting" like all of InvictusVoxfini/Pregknightone's stories have this problem

>>4823 All of this is somehow a worse attempt at baiting than even the shitty wojaks you were posting earlier lmao

>>4826 >get btfo by multiple anons >hur dur youre all just baiting! This coming from the mouth breather claiming the words man and woman have no relation to sex.

>>4827 Go ahead, keep derailing. I just got a chuckle over the wojakposter's latest pathetic attempt to stir up shit. Post IDs are a thing. You seem to think that you're somehow "winning" some nonexistent competition. Newsflash, fuckwit, all you've done is made a nuisance of yourself and derail threads. Nobody's fucking leaving just because you vomited up the same horseshit everyone's heard a million times before and made some edgy jokes. So either learn to shut the fuck up, or go find an echo chamber to whine about trans people somewhere else.

>>4826 >>4828 Do you have an argument or will insist that everyone who disagrees with is just baiting or being edgy? Do you honestly think everyone all time is "Trans Rights! We won't use words like man and woman anymore, they're inaccurate"?

>>4830 They're clearly trying to disengage from the conversation, because even the most oblivious of autists can see you retards aren't worth talking to at this point. They're right about one thing though; trans people aren't just going to up and leave because you tried to hurt their feelings. If that's seriously your goal, you're wasting your time.

>>4833 No, they clearly lost the argument and are now trying to cover that up by pretending to be smug and superior when really they’re seething.

>>4833 This dude made the asinine claim that man and woman are terms disassociated from biological sex and was rightly chastised for it. They then went on to claim basic viewpoints from the trans community were only subscribed to by its member's crazy fringe and once again got called out and provided evidence from multiple people proving otherwise. They absolutely lost the argument which is why they are so desperately trying to disengage from the conversation by claiming all the arguments against them are just bait from edgelords. It's fucking sad.

>>4835 Having actual close friends who are trans, no, those are in fact almost entirely fringe views. You're obviously basing your views entirely off loudmouths on the internet, because that's all you're pulling from. I actually have fucking personal first-hand experience in the matter, and your arguments are patently incorrect. Most trans people only really discuss it actively amongst themselves, the idiots you see on Twitter are often chronically online fuckheads to begin with. Like, you idiots keep bringing up "men can give birth now hurr durr", which is obviously almost entirely exclusive to FTM individuals, who, yes, in my experience, do tend to be the ones who are much more mentally ill. MTF individuals are generally legitimately just happy that they look more feminine, and studies do show that transitioning tends to be more effective for them. My entire argument regarding "man" and "woman" was that they are not technical terms, which is objectively true. "Man" and "woman" outright do not have the same strict biological meaning that "male" and "female" do. And again, you retards are doing this ON A FETISH BOARD. Not only are you not in a position to judge, *this is not the fucking forum for it*. If I "lost" the argument, it's a loss in the same sense of trying to reason with an anti-vaxxer; I made the mistake of trying to argue with someone whose head is too far up their own ass to listen. Some of us have lives to live, with better shit to do than stay wrapped up in arguments on a fucking porn board. So yeah, I'm fucking done engaging with you now. Continue squabbling amongst yourselves, I genuinely don't fucking care anymore.

>>4836 You've used that blatant anecdotal evidence in every damn trans debate on this site and it doesn't make you right. Anecdotal evidence is retarded and never actually provides broad information about a topic. Hell anytime you keep bringing this up it reveals your obvious bias and constantly makes you easy to spot out in these threads almost as easily as Maofag or the wojak poster. It's hilarious you disregard half the trans community as insane while talking about how stable the other half is too. Great way to prove your point by literally agreeing half the trans community is insane. If only those pesky MTF trans people weren't giving my personal friend who is FTM a bad name! Then you keep falling back and arguing Men and women aren't technical terms when their definitions literally use the biological terms Male and Female to describe each one respectively. You bitch about semantics then actively use it for your own arguments. And the audacity to act holier than anyone else in regards to arguing about this shit on a fetish site is irony of the highest degree. You rush to trans defense every fucking thread it is ever discussed regardless of whether it was antagonized or merely questioned. Yeah that "my trans friend" shit has made it real easy to tell who you are. And you keep fucking debating people and devolving threads because you actively lavish in debating this topic despite this "not being the appropriate forum" to do so. You're a hypocrite. Sure you say you won't engage anymore but that's an obvious lie because next time a thread merely mentions transgenderism you'll be there to white knight because you're "girlfriend" is probably trans and you don't even have the fucking balls to admit that "she" has more balls than you.

>>4838 I'm autistic and don't know when to let debates die, fucking sue me. I don't WANT to debate this shit, I really don't. I'd much rather find some good preg art and move on with my day. If the site had sufficient moderation, I wouldn't even feel the need to debate this; I'm just pissed that it keeps coming up over and over again. Also, I could maybe let it slide if some of these idiots could learn to fucking sage their posts to at least keep this shit off the front page. Seriously, that's what bothers me the most about this bullshit half the time. And with regards to Maofag...I will admit to getting some entertainment out of fucking with him, because he's a special kind of insane. Clearly you in particular are paying enough attention to all this to be able to recognize me from other discussions, so let me just put it this way. Yes, I do have a partner who is trans. All my anecdotes have been based on her and several of her trans friends. I don't deny that there are people under the trans umbrella who are absolute lunatics, because there absolutely are. But it pisses me off when people make such broad sweeping statements about the whole group when I know for a fact that it's not true for everyone. Can you blame me for being upset at what is akin to insult and wishes of death being hurled at someone I deeply care about, even if indirectly? Like, I'm genuinely tired of having this discussion. I would like nothing more than for this to stop popping up. I will HAPPILY drop it as long as long as you can do the same. Let's just all go back to jacking it to bellies, alright?

>>4838 >Anecdotal evidence is retarded and never actually provides broad information about a topic. "The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'."

Honestly anyone who argues on an imageboard is a mouth-breathing retard. I'm being a fucking tard for even writing this shit out. It's a god damn anonymous imageboard, I can say whatever bait I want and some stupid cunt is going to bite. If you actively fall for any of the bait then you deserve to be laughed at. There's literally no reason to try to have a moral discussion to change people's minds because no one's going to care. They want to watch you seethe and will respond with more bait that you're just going to latch onto like the carp-brained motherfuckers you are. The key to never derailing threads is to just ignore the bait. Ignore it. Don't respond to it. Don't even reply with a shitpost. Just move on. By taking the bait, you prove that you're not the bigger person and that you're an easy target, and you're going to get shit on in return. Your essays are just feeding those looking for reactions. Remember the Anne Frank poster(s)? We always used to feed into the bait, and then whole threads would become derailed because of it, and Hitler would welcome you every time you loaded the front page. Nowadays we mostly ignore them, and shit moves on completely unimpeded. However, when one of you cunts sees an obvious trans bait post, your single-celled organism brain takes the bait. Every. God. Damn. Time. You aren't going to change anyone's minds on this matter. There's no point in trying. Don't bother standing your ground. Don't be the obnoxious moral crusader. You're going to make every single trans person look like a tool with your constant bait munching, and that's not helping anyone prove that trans people are as "cool and collected" as you say they are. If you're all the bigger people like you all fucking say you all are, then you wouldn't even respond to the "troon bait" in the first place, so either admit you're all not the bigger people and keep screeching like monkeys or grow the fuck up and learn actual chan culture.

>>4839 >"I'm autistic" that explains the gigantic walls of text lmao

>>4839 >Yes, I do have a partner who is trans. So you're gay and are ashamed to admit you're a faggot so pretend that you're dating a 'woman' to hide your insecurities. If just admit you're gay and in a relationship with a gay man then there wouldn't be a problem but one of you has to cosplay as a woman and deny reality. Just admit you're gay.

>>4839 >Can you blame me for being upset at what is akin to insult and wishes of death being hurled at someone I deeply care about But you get upset at people who simply don't align with you're biased preconceived notions and go on tirades regardless. There are individuals simply stating biological truths that aren't driven by hate or fear and you still get upset and go on long rants almost as if you're not trying to convince others but convince yourself of something. I know someone else already said this as an insult but legitamately you and youe partner need to actually reconsider your sexualities because it definitely looks like you two are indeed gay and would be happier off juat admitting it and running with that weird femboy fetish shtick. I know the idea of never actually being able to experience the thing you're attracted to will be devastating but you should just rip the damn band aid of and accept you're gay and so's your boyfriend.

We never got an explanation for why "man" and "woman" are archaic, incorrect and transphobic terms, but "male" and "female" are ideal. Where's the source? The definite scientific proof? Are we supposed to use them because you personally said to?

>>4847 It's because "male" and "female" are Latinate and therefore somehow more legitimate than the supposedly lowly Germanic words "man" and "woman".

>>4854 "Legitimate because it's Latin" sound like something the Church would have said in medieval age. I'm not saying the fuckers with the trans agenda is just a dressed up modern day missionary, but...

Saying all this now not to rant or argue, but as genuine attempts to explain my viewpoints on the topic. I'm alright with genuine civil discussion of the matter if anyone gives enough of a shit to engage in that. I would greatly appreciate it if we could keep this discussion saged as to not flood the front page though, alright? >>4844 I'm bi (technically pan, but bi gets the point across well enough here) and never stated anything to the contrary. I'm fully confident in my sexuality, I refer to her as my girlfriend simply because she's far more feminine than she is masculine, and because that's what I see her as. In her case, the matter is more complicated due to the fact that she genuinely has DID, and some of her alters vary in their gender and orientation. >>4847 It's not that "man" and "woman" are inherently transphobic or somehow incorrect; the point I was trying to make is solely that, strictly speaking, the technical terms you would use in like a scientific/academic setting to denote the biological difference would be "male" and "female". "Man" and "woman" absolutely still do have the connotation of meaning biological male or female, I just personally believe that there's more wiggle room in their definitions, and that's not an entirely uncommon view when it comes to trans people. It helps to try and make the concepts of gender and biological sex distinct from one another.

>>4856 Again, why should "male/female" be used instead of "man/woman"? No reason except "I feel like it and everybody should comply". >It helps to try and make the concepts of gender and biological sex distinct from one another Aren't they the same thing? Haven't been following this shit for years, it changes so often. "Gender is the same as sex and it's a spectrum, no, wait, they aren't, but both are a spectrum" etc.

>>4857 "Male" and "female" would be used exactly the same way you'd use them already: if for whatever reason you need to refer specifically to biological sex. Meanwhile, the only change to the usage of "man" and "woman" is just allowing it to include trans people. If the situation requires you to specify whether someone is trans or not for one reason or another, that's where you apply the whole "cis" and "trans" thing as modifiers. Realistically speaking, it honestly doesn't change much about how they're functionally used on a daily basis. In all likelihood, unless you're directly interacting with a trans person, literally nothing will be different than normal. For the second part, a brief explanation based on how I understand it: Gender and sex, while often linked, are not the same. Gender is much more of a spectrum, since it's a part of your identity mentally. As for sex, it's less that it's a spectrum, and more that science is starting to understand that the process of sexual development gets messy more often than we initially thought. It's basically just a matter of saying "hey, maybe if a kid is born with both bits, we shouldn't arbitrarily lop one set off before they're able to tell us which one is the right one". I'm fairly certain this has more or less been the primary view for quite some time now, although I know some particularly loud fringe groups have definitely claimed WAY crazier shit.

>>4858 >the only change to the usage of "man" and "woman" is just allowing it to include trans people >it honestly doesn't change much about how they're functionally used That is still requesting a huge definitional change to the use of those words by society that runs counter to their standard meanings. Once again Masculinity and Femininity both cover the percieved definitions you are looking to utilize in such a scenario. >Gender and sex, while often linked, are not the same. This argument falls apart because as first mentioned trans people are using biological identifiers to describe themselves. Identifiers that are binary and actively stomp on the notion of a spectrum. You can't use the terms man and woman to describe a spectrum as they are actively describing a dichotomy. Even more damning to this argument is the active encroachment of trans individuals in spaces designed specifically for one biology or the other. If gender is seperate from sex then no transgender person would be demanding to use the men's bathroom as a biological woman and no one would be demanding to compete in women's sports as a biological man. The idea that gender is a multifaceted spectrum seperate from one's biology is ironically being ignored by the vast majority of Trans people. >science is starting to understand that the process of sexual development gets messy more often than we initially thought Aw yes the intersex argument. One that ignores that intersex individuals are suffering from a genetic abnormality, are rare, and most importantly do not validate transgender people who were born with perfectly healthy sets of genitals. Using intersex people to justify the trans community is akin to pretending to need a wheelchair because paraplegics exist. It makes a mockery of people suffering from a legitimate health issue that comes with a large set of health concerns.

>>4858 So it has to be used because you personally want it to? >Realistically speaking, it honestly doesn't change much about how they're functionally used on a daily basis. In all likelihood, unless you're directly interacting with a trans person, literally nothing will be different than normal. So why should the use of words change?

>>4839 Your pedo faggot partner would stop getting death threats if he did the right thing for everybody and killed himself.

This thread just cracked my egg. My transphobic egg!

>>4859 Honestly the funniest thing is just how insanely sexist a lot of trans rhetoric is. You’re not stereotypically masculine/feminine? You must be trans!

>>4872 Just as a heads up for future reference, to sage properly, you type sage in the email field. I do genuinely appreciate the attempt, though.

>>4893 There is no email field, just the name, subject and text.

>>4896 Click on the little "extra" button below the reply section to access it; it's kinda annoying like that.

Ironically, 90% of people here (and pregnancy fetishists in general) are people who don't want children (because they're too poor, too disease ridden, too mentally ill, care about the planet too much), people who can't have children (because they're faggots, they're tranny pederasts who've been sterilised as part of transitioning, they're eunuchs) or leftoids (who are universally faggots, eunuchs or retards who think every pregnancy is a result of incestual rape) and have an aversion to real life pregnancy. What a shitty gay website. Also you're all pedophiles, judging by the existence of teen, loli and shota threads.

>>4940 Nice rage bait, where'd you get it?

>>4940 Schizophrenia

>>4940 Hold on. Let him cook.

>>4941 It's old bait, the leftoid part is new but it's popular to blame everything on the left these days regardless if they've done anything or not

Christ, people, I'm usually the one falling for this bait, and even I know the fucker isn't worth acknowledging at this point. Don't give the retard more attention.

>>4941 >>4943 >>4944 >>4945 >>4948 You niggas literally believe that men can get pregnant, penises can be feminine and vaginas can be masculine and that using terms "male" and "female" is akin to killing trans people, and I'M the retarded one? Simply unreal 💀

>>4949 You're the one who came over here, are you bored because your wife left you and took the kids?

>>4949 bro is trying so hard, gotta respect the bait grind frfr

>>4950 Big talk from the virgin

>>4949 The thread's been dead for weeks, and suddenly you come along and start slinging shit. Even my autistic ass can spot bait that obvious. So yes, if you think we're going to fall for it, you are in fact a retard. Try harder, numbnuts.

He's right, you know? The vast majority of you are retarded commiefaggots who most likely aren't even attracted to women.